In this episode of Franciscan Fridays, Brother Pius and Father Luke explore one of the most misunderstood quotes attributed to Saint Francis of Assisi:

“Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.”

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Spoiler alert — Saint Francis never actually said it.
But he did live it.

From the National Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima, this conversation dives deep into the Third Luminous Mystery of the Rosary: The Proclamation of the Kingdom of God and the Call to Conversion.

We reflect on:

What Saint Francis really preached

Why Jesus came to proclaim, not merely to model goodness

How conversion flows from encountering the Kingdom, not moral pressure

Why the Kingdom of God is not an idea — it’s a Person

How grace, the sacraments, and the Holy Spirit make conversion possible

This episode is a powerful meditation on living the Gospel, authentic Catholic evangelization, and why the Christian life begins not with rules — but with love.

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